Different River

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February 13, 2005

Neo-Nazis Demand Apology for Dresden Bombing

Filed under: — Different River @ 7:58 pm

This the sort of thing you’d expect to read in The Onion, but it’s actually a Reuters wire story:

Neo-Nazis March as Dresden Remembers War Dead

Feb 13, 10:04 AM (ET)

By Alexandra Hudson

DRESDEN, Germany (Reuters) – Waving black flags and carrying banners, thousands of neo-Nazis marched in Dresden on Sunday, marring the official 60th anniversary commemoration of one of the fiercest Allied bombing raids of World War II.

Police said at least 3,000 people joined the march in the eastern German city, making it one of the biggest far-right demonstrations since the war. Before the march, police said 5,000 attended a neo-Nazi rally.

Official ceremonies began with a wreath-laying ceremony at a mass grave for 20,000 victims while neo-Nazi marchers elsewhere in the city carried balloons saying: “Allied bomb terror — then as now. Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Dresden and today Baghdad. No forgiveness, no forgetting.”

Dresden, untouched by bombing just months before the end of World War II, was nearly destroyed by two waves of British bombers on the night of Feb. 13, 1945. U.S. planes blasted the city the next day.

“We expect an official apology from Britain,” NPD leader Udo Voigt told Reuters on the margins of the march.

[Emphasis added.]

Yes, you read that right — the Nazis want an apology from Britain for the bombing of Dresden.

Did they forget, perhaps, that it was the Nazis who started the war with Britain? Did they ever apologize to Britain for the bombings of London Coventry, and other British cities? Did they ever apologize to Poland, Czechoslovakia, Belgium, Russia, or any of the other counties they invaded?

13 Responses to “Neo-Nazis Demand Apology for Dresden Bombing”

  1. Gary Says:

    This is what I mean by that scourge of political correctness out of hand. Excuse me for saying this (I’m being PC) but it might work. Go in and just beat the living tar out of these nazi wannabes with batons.

  2. Dave Schuler Says:

    Brad DeLong made an interesting point a while ago. Allied (in this case British) bombing of German targets including Dresden, Hanover, and Hamburg tied up German military assets that would otherwise have been used against the Soviet Union. That’s why the Soviets encouraged it (although they slammed it later on). So while we’re doing our moral calculus we need to consider whether we, in fact, traded German civilian lives for Soviet civilian lives. I horrible exercise but c’est la guerre.

  3. Dan Whitcomb Says:

    This is all a bunch of crap. At most 600 people died in the often wined about Coventry raid. Coventry was a large war manufacturing city. Dresden lost between 50,000 and 200,000 depending how the victors are rewriting history that day. This is the same bunch of morons who turn a blind eye toward Iraq. Shut the fuck up already

  4. laesperinto Says:

    The bombing of Dresden
    In the german city of Dresden a demonstration was held today to commemorate the sixtieth anniversary of the British bombing of the city.
    Reading about the event I understand that the bombing was an undefendable slaughter.
    I feel it should be remebered, but I also feel uncomfortable when I hear people using the memory of the bombing to suggest that in world war two, both sides were equally bad and that Germany was a victim of the war as much as any other country. The fact is that there is an increasing trend among young people to say things of that kind, and I’m not only talking about Germans. I’ve heard lots of people my age, by no means neo-nazis or even right wing, say that the Americans were certainly just as bad as the Germans and the Japanese during the war. It’s all the propaganda of the winning side, and yes the nazis and the Japanese did dreadfull things, but what about Hiroshima etc etc…
    Ofcourse, heroic armies don’t exist, only murderous armies, and wars are wars. Armies are always run by idiots and murders, and they always manage to bring out the psycopath in every ordinary young man. People should always be reminded of this. But people should also always be reminded of what really happened during the second world war.

    I’m not denying the appaling crime which the two nuclear bombs rappresent. They were dropped without any good reason, in particular the second one on Nagasaki. The real aim was to show the world how powerfull america’s new weapon was.
    By the way, it is now a generally held opinion that dropping the nuclear bombs was a dreadfull thing to do.

    I’m also not denying that it was wrong to throw one million Germans out of Poland and Czechoslovakia just after the war, and that the bombing to rubble of german cities was wrong. I can even understand that the Germans feel frustrated that for years no one even realized this had happened.

    However, the truth is that these actions pale in comparison to what the German army had done all over Europe. I’m not only talking about the concentration camps, which in itself are proof enough.
    In countries like Poland and Jugoslavia, the Nazi army behaved with unparallel savagery, shooting down entire villages simply as a reprisal for the actions of resistance fighters, for instance. This is the reason why there was little simpathy for german vicitms immediately after the war.
    The Japanese, by the way, were little better, and in East Asia they are resented in much the same way the Germans were al over Europe.

    Nothing the Americans, the British and the Russians did ever really approached the same level of savagery and institutionalized slaughter. If you also take a look at the murder of half of Europe’s Jews and of half a million gypsies to go along with that, that ends the debate.

    On the extreme left, some people still hold on to the idea that the working class people on both sides should have united and refused to fight. If this had happened, it would obviously have been great.
    However in the absence of this happening, fighting the Nazis was obviously the best course of action.

    Gabriele Corsetti

    The bombing of Dresden
    In the german city of Dresden a demonstration was held today to commemorate the sixtieth anniversary of the British bombing of the city.
    Reading about the event I understand that the bombing was an undefendable slaughter.
    I feel it should be remebered, but I also feel uncomfortable when I hear people using the memory of the bombing to suggest that in world war two, both sides were equally bad and that Germany was a victim of the war as much as any other country. The fact is that there is an increasing trend among young people to say things of that kind, and I’m not only talking about Germans. I’ve heard lots of people my age, by no means neo-nazis or even right wing, say that the Americans were certainly just as bad as the Germans and the Japanese during the war. It’s all the propaganda of the winning side, and yes the nazis and the Japanese did dreadfull things, but what about Hiroshima etc etc…
    Ofcourse, heroic armies don’t exist, only murderous armies, and wars are wars. Armies are always run by idiots and murders, and they always manage to bring out the psycopath in every ordinary young man. People should always be reminded of this. But people should also always be reminded of what really happened during the second world war.

    I’m not denying the appaling crime which the two nuclear bombs rappresent. They were dropped without any good reason, in particular the second one on Nagasaki. The real aim was to show the world how powerfull america’s new weapon was.
    By the way, it is now a generally held opinion that dropping the nuclear bombs was a dreadfull thing to do.

    I’m also not denying that it was wrong to throw one million Germans out of Poland and Czechoslovakia just after the war, and that the bombing to rubble of german cities was wrong. I can even understand that the Germans feel frustrated that for years no one even realized this had happened.

    However, the truth is that these actions pale in comparison to what the German army had done all over Europe. I’m not only talking about the concentration camps, which in itself are proof enough.
    In countries like Poland and Jugoslavia, the Nazi army behaved with unparallel savagery, shooting down entire villages simply as a reprisal for the actions of resistance fighters, for instance. This is the reason why there was little simpathy for german vicitms immediately after the war.
    The Japanese, by the way, were little better, and in East Asia they are resented in much the same way the Germans were al over Europe.

    Nothing the Americans, the British and the Russians did ever really approached the same level of savagery and institutionalized slaughter. If you also take a look at the murder of half of Europe’s Jews and of half a million gypsies to go along with that, that ends the debate.

    On the extreme left, some people still hold on to the idea that the working class people on both sides should have united and refused to fight. If this had happened, it would obviously have been great.
    However in the absence of this happening, fighting the Nazis was obviously the best course of action.

    Gabriele Corsetti
    The bombing of Dresden
    In the german city of Dresden a demonstration was held today to commemorate the sixtieth anniversary of the British bombing of the city.
    Reading about the event I understand that the bombing was an undefendable slaughter.
    I feel it should be remebered, but I also feel uncomfortable when I hear people using the memory of the bombing to suggest that in world war two, both sides were equally bad and that Germany was a victim of the war as much as any other country. The fact is that there is an increasing trend among young people to say things of that kind, and I’m not only talking about Germans. I’ve heard lots of people my age, by no means neo-nazis or even right wing, say that the Americans were certainly just as bad as the Germans and the Japanese during the war. It’s all the propaganda of the winning side, and yes the nazis and the Japanese did dreadfull things, but what about Hiroshima etc etc…
    Ofcourse, heroic armies don’t exist, only murderous armies, and wars are wars. Armies are always run by idiots and murders, and they always manage to bring out the psycopath in every ordinary young man. People should always be reminded of this. But people should also always be reminded of what really happened during the second world war.

    I’m not denying the appaling crime which the two nuclear bombs rappresent. They were dropped without any good reason, in particular the second one on Nagasaki. The real aim was to show the world how powerfull america’s new weapon was.
    By the way, it is now a generally held opinion that dropping the nuclear bombs was a dreadfull thing to do.

    I’m also not denying that it was wrong to throw one million Germans out of Poland and Czechoslovakia just after the war, and that the bombing to rubble of german cities was wrong. I can even understand that the Germans feel frustrated that for years no one even realized this had happened.

    However, the truth is that these actions pale in comparison to what the German army had done all over Europe. I’m not only talking about the concentration camps, which in itself are proof enough.
    In countries like Poland and Jugoslavia, the Nazi army behaved with unparallel savagery, shooting down entire villages simply as a reprisal for the actions of resistance fighters, for instance. This is the reason why there was little simpathy for german vicitms immediately after the war.
    The Japanese, by the way, were little better, and in East Asia they are resented in much the same way the Germans were al over Europe.

    Nothing the Americans, the British and the Russians did ever really approached the same level of savagery and institutionalized slaughter. If you also take a look at the murder of half of Europe’s Jews and of half a million gypsies to go along with that, that ends the debate.

    On the extreme left, some people still hold on to the idea that the working class people on both sides should have united and refused to fight. If this had happened, it would obviously have been great.
    However in the absence of this happening, fighting the Nazis was obviously the best course of action.

    Gabriele Corsetti

    look at this adress for some meaningfull comentary

  5. schulz Says:

    Britain declares Germany the are and not the german the
    britain: in dresden dies 200 000 people:

  6. schulz Says:

    the soviets fights eye to eye, man to man, against the german:
    the british killes german woman and theit babys with
    – hinterhältig — with their bombs:
    britain declares germany the war, not germany the britain:
    germany lost 3 million civilian by these form of air- war:
    gratulation

  7. schulz- hamburg Says:

    they throw 12 million german not from polland to germany:
    it was germany: danzig, königsberg, köslin, breslau, stettin,
    german cities:
    germany lost land from about 150 000 km2: histoical land; not
    ocupied land:
    the allied are the good- humans; the are so lovely; ohhh, hmmm;

  8. Different River Says:

    schulz: It is utterly preposterous to claim that Britain, rather than Germany started World War II. Germany invaded Poland and divided it with the USSR just a few months after promising in a treaty with Britain not to invade Poland. The fact that Britain “declared” war after Germany actually began the war does not mean that responsibility for the war lies with Britain rather than Germany.

    To claim that Britain is responsible for World War II is no different from claiming that if the police arrest a murderer, it is the police not the murderer who is to be blamed for the murderer’s loss of freedom. But if the murderer had never murdered he would not have been in jail, and since he has murdered, it is better that he lost his freedom.

    And yes, Germany lost land after World War II. This is what happens when you lose a war. You cannot expect that Germany could invade and conquer Poland, Russia, Belgium, France, Denmark, and so on, then claim that it is somehow unjust that Germany “lost” a few cities after the war. There is no such thing as a “limited liability war” in which you try to take others’ terroritory, but upon losing insist that your territory is sacrosanct.

    And this is completely putting aside the fact that to talk of the German state’s “historic land” in 1945 is rather disingenuous. At that point, Germany had only been a united state for 74 years (since 1871), and during that period its bounces changed several times. There was no “historic” German boundary at that time.

  9. Different River Says:

    Yes, they really do believe these things
    I’ve been getting some interesting comments on this blog, with people defending positions that I find utterly indefensible. While it is tempting to write these comments off as the rantings of fools and ignore (or even delete) them, the fact is that m…

  10. schulz- hamburg Says:

    dresden was totally destroyed; totally. only, in the near of the elb-promande, there
    still stood few buildings, the rest was total, totally ruined. after the bombing, in the streets laid, stacked, all over dead bodys. come and go throw dresden: if you go throw dresden, you go over a big massgrave: and this underhandedly organized party was done by
    the british: the war was not fighting against hitler, the war was fighting against germany: and dresden was not the only city which was so underhandedly destroyed: and these form, throw bombs out of a yet on civilians was more than fearful: the border in 1939 was the historical border of germany, incl. the city köingsberg (650000 habitants, 750 years insistence), now rus. kaliningrad: and now, the half land of poland was, is germany, occupied
    yet by the polen: obtain by the allied; and then, the general german public don´t wanted
    to fight against britain; there was no warfare against britain: britain declared germany the war, not germany the britain:

  11. Viking Says:

    Schulz is right the UK and france decleared war on Germany not the otherway around.
    Please know your history before opening your your mouth and trying to sound intellectual.
    estemated 300.000-500.000 dead. It was clearly a warcirme for there were no military
    targets there.

    Forget about the Nazis apologize to the people of Dresden, own up to your past like others
    Have done.

    Im not german but it is clear to me that those bobming were a warcrime and purely to kill
    and get back at the germans and that is not better than the nazis did.

  12. Joe Says:

    Dear viking and shultz. It seems that you both are complete pillocks who seem to get off on justifying the sick Nazi regime. What fools you both are. Firstly viking, you silly little thinky know-it-all, justify the fact that the germans killed almost 6 million Jews. And Where is their bloody apology, hmm? And also, viking, you dumb simplewit, your last line is one that only the lowest organism with minute traces of brain cells, if any at all would say.
    “Im not german but it is clear to me that those bobmings (sic) were a warcrime and purely to kill and get back at the germans and that is not better than the nazis did.” What a twit you are. THEY KILLED OVER 5 MILLION JEWS YOU ARSEHOLE! THAT IS FAR WORSE. What if the Jews killed five million of your country’s people and then your country killed 200,000 of the Jews, you would consider them the same would you? Of course you wouldn’t you fag. And to you schultz, you greasy hamburger, the germans invaded Poland, remember, or didn’t they teach you that at goosestep school hmm? Remember, your country had to fuck it up again didn’t you? You’d think you would have learned the lesson of WW1 but no, your silly pathetic country thought you could do it. Thank god Dresden was destroyed as a testament to YOUR horrific war crimes against the world. You honestly think that you will get an apology? You Germans are stupider than you look. It is pathetic-icians likes yourself who haven’t yet come to terms with the fact that your country is the wrong one. What about all the cities in different countries that you destroyed? Any apology for them? No, of course you don’t, silly stupid little prick germans. Also the line “there was no warfare against Britain”. Well no shit Sherlock, but did Poland attack germany? NO! “Underhandedly destroyed”? Damn right, should have done the same with the rest of germany too.
    Dan Whitcomb is a tool also, aren’t you son? Poor little dan, thinks he knows, poor little wannabe, shit stupid dan. Who gives a shit what Dresden lost? Only pathetic people like you. Has there ever been an apology for the Blitz where 43,000 people died? NO! Crap germany, crap people. No apology, never. Stick it up your arse, which your people would get pleasure from.
    DEATH TO NAZIS DEATH TO THEM ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!

  13. Jonno Says:

    So, you all think that the whole Dresden bombing thing was as horrific and deplorable as the Nazi genocide of the Jews do you? You think that our Queen and the British people owe you an apology for all of the innocent lives lost? ‘Come, take a walk through Dresden’ you say, ‘see the legacy of the atrocity that took place there. People were lying dead in the streets, buildings destroyed, lives ruined’.

    Let’s think about this for a second. Let’s rewind and look at the causation, shall we? I wonder would the British have bombed Dresden had the world been a peaceful place at the time? What do you think, you big mislead, misinformed, brainwashed fascist Nazi fuckholes, you?

    So we started the war did we? Is that what your ageing, paedophile, Nazi history teachers tell you before pulling on their leather pants and fucking you up your shitty arses? Put it this way, if you are one of the tough kids in school but a nice guy nonetheless and the scrawny little nerd comes up to you and asks you for protection from the big nobhead bully of the year, being the nice guy that you are, you would oblige, right?

    So, when Poland came to us for help and you pasty white motherfuckers decided that your own shitty little country just wasn’t enough, we duly, like the nice guys that we were and are, came to their aid. And kicked the fuck out of you. You didn’t like it. It bruised your egos, it completely dented your superiority complex and so the only thing you can think to do is piss and moan about a few thousand of your wretched countrymen who died in some pissy little town that nobody who matters cares about.

    Put it this way, had you not started the whole bastard thing, we wouldn’t have had to finish it. Nobody in their right mind is going to apologise for something that was ultimately your own fault. So fuck right off.

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